December 15, 2008 | Addendum3 May 05, 2009
“It is not a world that any of us would want to live in. Is such a world inevitable? It is not sure but there are two possible ways by which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birth rates must come down more quickly or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way.” (Robert McNamara, Speech to International bankers as Head of the World Bank, October 2, 1970. Also cited by Antony Sutton in 'Trilaterals over America', pg. 79)
“Ironically however, the very innovations that are making possible dramatic improvements in human well-being are also creating new problems which raise the spectre of an alarming and possibly catastrophic disaster to the biosphere we live in. And herein lies the dilemma that we all face. Let me illustrate. Improved public health, has caused the world's infant mortality rate to decline by 60 percent over the last 40 years. In the same period, the world's average life expectancy has increased from 46 years in 1950s to 63 years today. This is a development which as individuals we can only applaud. However the result of these positive measures is that the world population that has risen during the same short period of time geometrically to almost 6 billion people, and can exceed easily 8 billion by the year 2020. The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary eco-systems is becoming appallingly evident. The rapid growing exploitation of the world's supply of energy and water is a matter of deep concern. And the toxic by products of widespread industrialization and increased atmospheric pollution to dangerous levels. Unless nations will agree to work together to tackle these cross-border challenges posed by population growth over consumption of resources and environmental degradation, prospects for a decent life on our planet will be threatened.” (David Rockefeller, UN Ambassador's Dinner. See transcription of remaining speech in the Monetary Reform Bibliography, and the complete context of David Rockefeller's concerns in NB: On Global Warming which is but one of the pretexts, along with the financial collapse, and war on terror, for proposing world government.)
Date December 15, 2008.
Two additional data points on your conclusion “If HIV does not cause AIDS, then we will have witnessed the biggest medical and scientific blunder of this century” beg the same forensic questions as 'Is war on terror a blunder? Is the financial collapse a blunder? Was the response to 911 a blunder? When science becomes beholden to politics, as the case of NIST reports on how the towers collapsed, or Popular Science report in its fascinating centerfolds, are those blunders?'
A) See Slate.com article: 'The AIDS Conspiracy Handbook', http://slate.com/id/2186860/
B) See Ali Al-Bayati's report: 'HIV Does Not Cause AIDS', http://scribd.com/doc/6337996/AIDS
Excerpt from pages 7:8 of Dr. Al-Bayati's interview is noted below. I found his approach to analysis very interesting as a lay-person – because Al-Bayati's approach is similar to mine in general – Differential Analysis. I frequently employ this technique and its variants as a researcher to ferret out hidden and obfuscated information when I don't have specialized first-hand knowledge of my own in a particular domain and must look at what others have written about it. Since all issues appear to be permeated with politics nowadays – from 911, to war on terror, to global warming, to financial crisis, to population control, to world-government, to anything which pertains to formulating national or global policy by any ruling-elite – it has become necessary to engage in processes such as what Dr. Al-Bayati has done.
Additionally, I employ the differential analysis of the Hegelian Dialectics too. Furthermore, often times, the BS of the "right" is identified by the investigations of the "left"; and the BS of the "left" is identified by the investigations of the "right"; i.e., the antagonists sometimes unveil each others failings and wrong-doings. At least to the first order, other than what is of course held as common sacred axioms among them for which other forensics techniques of discovery are necessary. And the differential analysis of such matters enable extracting useful weak signals in an otherwise vast sea of background noise (borrowing the signal processing metaphor from electrical engineering).
While I haven't paid much attention to this topic of AIDS beyond superficial read every once in a while when someone important says something silly, and I ponder upon what usually ends up appearing to be another circuitous argument being made in favor of drug companies rather than science, reading your educated perspective and a bit of searching on the web led me to this fascinating interview and the document which contained it. So I share this interview here. I still haven't done my own due diligence on the matter, but Dr. Al-Bayati's approach is something I wanted to draw attention to, for the same approach can be applied to many matters du jour.
The Real Cause of AIDS
Dr. Mohammed Al-Bayati interviewed by Steven D. Keller June, 2001 AidsMyth.com
Thank you for giving this interview. First of all I would like to establish with the readers who you are, your credentials and what led you to take a serious look at AIDS and its causes?
I am a pathologist and a toxicologist with a Ph.D. in comparative pathology from the University of California Davis and a dual board certified toxicologist (DABT & DABVT). I have over twenty years experience in research, teaching, diagnostic, and doing consulting work in the fields of toxicology and pathology. I have also served as an Expert Witness on several cases involving the exposure of people to chemicals in the workplace, exposure of people to wrong therapeutic agents, and reaction of people to the side effects of therapeutic agents. In these cases, I identified the cause(s) of illnesses and provided the treating physicians and attorneys with reports describing my findings. In these reports, I also presented to the treating physicians my recommendation for monitoring and treating these illnesses. In 1997, I established my toxicology consulting firm (Toxi-health International) in Dixon California (10 miles west of the University of California Davis) and my website contains a description of my company's wide range of services (toxi-health.com). In October of 1997, I evaluated the medical record and the case history of a 60 year-old-white male who was suffering from pulmonary fibrosis. He was treated with immunosuppressant medications (Azathioprine and prednisone). He consulted with me to find out if his exposure to chemicals in his workplace such as Jet Fuel and/or his medications has initiated or contributed to his illness. My communication with his treating physician, lead to the termination of his treatment with prednisone and Azathioprine. On May 19, 1998, 22 days after the last dose of prednisone, his CD4+ T cells and CD8+ T cells improved. In addition, his fungal infection and pneumonia were resolved following treatment with short course of antibiotic (Doxycycline 200mg per day for 2 weeks) and topical antifungal agent (Loprox). This case led me to evaluate the medical literature on AIDS worldwide to find out if there were other individuals with AIDS, who were HIV-negative, and to investigate the causes of AIDS. Prior to this time, my belief was that HIV caused AIDS as we have been told by the United States Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the AIDS establishment since 1984. My investigation of the causes of AIDS worldwide took about two years and I presented my findings in my book " Get All The Facts: HIV does not cause AIDS" and in my articles. The first twenty pages of my book and the articles are posted on my website (toxi-health.com) and news-gap.com. My findings show clearly that HIV is not the cause of AIDS.
I've read your book, "Get All the Facts: HIV Does Not Cause AIDS" and I was really impressed by the information you found in your research. What can a toxicologist/pathologist offer to the current sea of information without getting bogged down by the populous information that we already have?
We can play a very important role in evaluating the medical information presented by physicians, scientists, and researchers and to provide correct interpretations of the information to get to the correct cause(s) of illness. For example, the CDC and the AIDS establishment stated that the epidemiology of AIDS indicates that AIDS is caused by virus called HIV, but my evaluation of the epidemiology of AIDS revealed that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. The correct approach that should be taken to solve AIDS, or any other complicated chronic medical problems, is by evaluating all medical evidence concerning each risk group, namely, a differential diagnosis. I used this approach in this case to figure out the causes of AIDS in each risk group. I have found that the epidemiology and other medical evidence indicate clearly that HIV is not the cause of AIDS and that AIDS is caused by the use of immunosuppressive medications that have been used to treat wide range of illnesses caused by the use of drugs and alcohol. In Africa, AIDS is caused by severe malnutrition and the release of endogenous cortisol. Any individual suffering from severe malnutrition has AIDS regardless if he or she is HIV-positive or HIV-negative. In addition, AIDS in people suffering from malnutrition can be reversed by giving proper nutrition and supportive medical care. I gave many examples in my book to illustrate these points.
Given what has happened to Dr. Peter Duesberg and having his funding scaled back because of his viewpoints and public questioning of HIV and AIDS, are you not concerned for your job security? Are you not stepping on the toes of the mainstream view that a virus is what actually causes AIDS?
Prior to November of 1997, I believed that HIV was the cause of AIDS and I did not have any intention to investigate this issue. However, I discovered in November of 1997 that AIDS can be caused by other agents, and that HIV is a harmless virus. I also realised that AZT and the anti-viral drugs are killing people, which changed my direction. It became my duty as a scientist to investigate this issue, to find out the truth, and to present my findings to our government and to the public. I have been spending a tremendous amount of time and money on this issue for the last four years without any financial help from any source. This has been extremely hard on my family, but what keeps me going is the reward of saving lives and our vital resources. ...
While briefly searching further for another ten minutes using an internet search engine, I found the following interesting perspective to Dr. Duesberg's (and Al-Bayati's), along the lines of item A noted above – the Slate.com's dismissive article of 'tin-hatted' conspiracies surrounding the AIDS question, but far more substantive http://hiddenmysteries.org/health/aids/aids-manufactured.html
The following introductory passages immediately held my attention, especially this observation: "If Duesberg is right and HIV does not cause the disease, the question of whether the virus originated in the laboratory is irrelevant. ... Was that why it received so much attention, while [Jakob] Segal was completely ignored?"
On June 9, 1969, Dr. D. M. MacArthur, then Deputy Director of Research and Technology for the Dept. of Defense, told the House Subcommittee on Appropriations:
"Molecular biology is a field that is advancing very rapidly, and eminent biologists believe that within a period of 5 to 10 years it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired... a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory [resistant] to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease... A research program to explore the feasibility of this could be completed in approximately 5 years at a total cost of $10 million."
This was scandal enough. It does not mean that Segal is right, but it does mean the US government wanted, and considered it feasible, to create an AIDS-like virus as early as 1969.
It would not be surprising if the government wanted to keep this quiet, but what about the press? I could find only two references to MacArthur's testimony, in a book by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman (_A Higher Form of Killing: The Secret Story of Chemical & Biological Warfare_, NY: Hill & Wang, 1982), and in a couple of articles by Robert Lederer and Nathaniel S. Lehrman in _Covert Action Information Bulletin_ (28, summer 1987, and 29, winter 1988).
Segal had been similarly ignored. Through the Amerika Haus library in Frankfurt I ran a DIALOGUE search of the indexes of major US newspapers, magazines and journals for the name Jakob Segal, and it came up negative. At least he had been mentioned a couple of times in _Der Spiegel_. In America he was apparently completely unknown.
I found this intolerable. I did not agree with Segal; I only wanted to see his arguments discussed by people competent to make a judgement. Then I and the rest of the reading public could decide which arguments were more convincing. I thought that was the way free speech worked. Here was a guy saying the US government created AIDS, and claiming to have proved it scientifically, and he was being ignored.
By contrast, I had read about the storm of controversy that Peter Duesberg's theory had caused. He suggested in 1987 that AIDS is not caused by a virus at all--certainly at least as speculative a thesis as Segal's. But there is a significant difference. If Duesberg is right and HIV does not cause the disease, the question of whether the virus originated in the laboratory is irrelevant. In that sense, it is the antithesis of Segal's theory. Was that why it received so much attention, while Segal was completely ignored? ...
Everything you have written about the AIDS virus appears to me to be really only the first attempt at rationally assembling the jigsaw puzzle.
Another hour of browsing uncovered Robert McNamara's role in the population-control planning agenda which he pushed as the Secretary of Defense for JFK/Johnson, and later as the WB president. Daniel Ellsberg in his book 'Secrets' revealed the unsavory character of Robert McNamara in perpetuating the myths surrounding Vietnam. To all intents and purposes, I can't help but draw, albeit only circumstantially at this point, rational links between McNamara's spade-work which preceded both, Dr. D. M. MacArthur's testimony before the appropriations committee in 1969 which got the latter $10 million for research on molecular-biological weapons (bioweapons), and the orchestration of NSSM-200 under McNamara's pal and fellow-trilateralist, Henry Kissinger in 1974. Both Kissinger and McNamara work for the same banking cartel and ideological interests funded by the same monies. I have already cited David Rockefeller's role in the Population-control agenda at the UN and some analysis of NSSM 200, in my writings. All these are too intimately interlinked to dismiss its relationship with the appearance of AIDS soon-afterwards in the early 1980s.
While surely no hard receipts will ever be found, careful analysis of hidden motivations and hidden agendas, rationally linked to observable empirical evidence, is usually sufficient to show, at least to the thinking peoples, what is more likely to be true than not. This type of forensic analysis is not sufficient for the likes of prof. Noam Chomsky, journalist Robert Fisk, historian Howard Zinn, et. al., who all want hard receipts, or disclosures in the NYT, before they will think of it as anything other than “conspiracy theory”. But I feel differently – as disclosed in the analysis 'The Enduring Capitalist Conspiracy for World Government' available on my website (http://humanbeingsfirst.org). And among the principal agendas of concern to the world's misanthropes, is population reduction – from Bertrand Russell in the past century to the almost centenarian Rockefeller in this century. That is well documented in their own words.
The linkage to all types of bioweapons, including to GMO-food grains and terminator seeds, in a bigger picture of population reduction agenda, can make better and more realistic sense of all this – including Duesberg's work which shows that HIV may not be the principal cause of AIDS – than the "blowback" version of this concluding sentence “If HIV does not cause AIDS, then we will have witnessed the biggest medical and scientific blunder of this century.”
What do you think?
Here are some relevant passages on McNamara. His biography 'Promise & Power Life & Times of Robert McNamara' should make excellent bedtime reading I am sure.
In understanding the roots of the most massive genocide program ever undertaken MK-NAOMI / AIDS, we must look at the goals of those funding the operations. Litton Bionetics (Now Litton Industries/ Northrop Grumman/ Medpath /Dow Corning) received contract # NIH692160 Dr. Robert C. King (documented p.105-105 US Special Virus Cancer Program Report 1971) entitled: “Studies of African & American Cancer Patients With Birkets Lymphoma, Associated With Eppstein Barr Virus Infections With Leukemia & Sarcomas”
It must be noted that Birkets- Lymphoma only existed in young children in Central Africa in West Uganda. And these cases were associated with a government lab; International Agency for research in Cancer. This is connected with the National Cancer Inst., both of which are Rockefeller funded. Eppstein-Barr Carcinoma never existed before 1984. Dr. Robert C. King stated that AIDS sarcoma patients left untreated used to “isolate a viral genome by co-cultivation, hybridization, viral recombination, mutation, and other techniques.” Prior to such experimentation Sarcoma only existed in elderly Jewish men with compromised immune systems. These experiments indicate a precursor to genocide.
The Secretary of Defense 1962-1970 was Robert Strange McNamara. As early as 1966 McNamara considered the population explosion especially in Africa to be a great danger. He considered the population growing faster than the gross national product dangerous, and the World Bank had a dominant role to play in solving the problem. In a speech at Notre Dame in 1969 McNamara stated “the children who were dying were fortunate, for the millions of those who lived languidly on were stunted in their bodies and crippled in their minds.” Robert Strange McNamara, World Bank President, made a speech October 2, 1970 to international bankers in which he identified population growth as "the gravest issue that the world faces over the years ahead."
In his speech to the bankers McNamara argued that population growth was leading to instability, that a 10 billion world population would not be "controllable."
Said McNamara, "It is not a world that any of us would want to live in. Is such a world inevitable? It is not sure but there are two possible ways by which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birth rates must come down more quickly or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way." In 1969 in a speech at Notre Dame he called the African population explosion “a mushrooming cloud of overpopulation”. (Promise & Power Life & Times of Robert McNamara). In 1970 the US intensified its development of “ethnic weapons” (Military Review Nov., 1970) Let us not forget the funding issued by the Congress at the behest of Dr. MacArthur for budget year 1970 was approved by Secretary of Defense McNamara. McNamara became head of the World Bank and assured funding to the US Special Virus Cancer Program.
I have one last thing to ask. If some white man called a black man the “N” word we would hear about it and the ensuing fight for the next two weeks as a racist hate crime on all three major networks. Where then is the media, where is Jessie Jackson, where is the NAACP to cry as the voice for hundreds of millions dying through this genocide? (To be continued)
Man Made Plague 4 Conclusion
By Michael Treis
In understanding the AIDS/HIV issue it is best put as man made. The US Special Virus Cancer Program, which ran from 1962-1978 with 100 plus contractors. Some of who manufactured the virus. The Primary Contractor was Litton Bionetics. Before long it managed all contracts. One of the Chief Project Officers was the “discoverer” of “AIDS” HTLV 1 & 2 was Dr. Robert Gallo. He also applied for a patent the method of continuous production of the virus in 1984 and was granted patent # 4,647,773 in 1987. The assignee was The United States of America as represented by the Department of Health (Washington, DC)
SVCP was originally a black budget program MK-NAOMI previously mentioned. In 1969 in the: June 9, 1969 MacArthur testimony at 121, Appropriations Hearings 91st US Congress, received on budget funding under bio-warfare. Dr. Robert Gallo was a consultant in those hearings.
By 1977 27,818 liters of oncogenic (cancer causing) virus material had been manufactured that year by Litton Bionetics under contract # (N01-CO-25423) initiated 1972. A portion of this complimented Merck Pharmaceutical experimental Hepatitis B vaccine batch 751 that was given to thousands of male homosexuals in Manhattan in 1978. It later complimented the “smallpox” vaccination given to over 93 million in Africa alone. (Previously sited part 1 The Times article May 11,1987 the front page of the London Times reported “smallpox vaccine triggers AIDS virus "WHO [the World Health Organization] murdered Africa".) This does not even touch the vaccinations in Haiti, Brazil and Southern Japan.
The manufacture of viral cancers combined with mycoplasma was the hallmark of the SVCP as well as the earliest bio-warfare. Mycoplasma was found in the late 1800 and crystallized from tobacco in 1935. 1942 President Franklin D. Roosevelt had appointed George W. Merck (Merck & Company Pharmaceutical founder) to direct the War Research Service with oversaw our biological weapons industry. As early as 1918 a flu virus modified with bird mycoplasma killed millions (associated with “Federation of the American Society for Experimental Biology”).
In reference to Merck’s batch 751; Between 1970-74 Robert H. Purcell of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), along with Maurice Hillerman Merck’s Chief vaccine developer & tumor cell virologist, collaborated with hepatitis B vaccine pioneer Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University Medical Center developed and tested Hepatitis B seed virus. Purcell announced in 1974, although cell cultures had failed, they had successfully cultured them by use of “high risk individuals” I.E. mentally retarded children at Willowbrook State School Staten Island, NY as well as rhesus monkeys and chimpanzees. (See: Antiviral Mechanism: Perspectives in Virology IX The Gustav Stern Symposium, New York Academic Press 1975 pp 49-76) Putting children who are already tormented enough in life due to mental and other problems in the same class as test animals. How many did they infect? How many of those they infected died because they were termed “at risk” How sick is that? Remember they are still telling us AIDS just evolved. Can we trust anything they tell us ever again?
Yes these things are documented through government and medical records and other sources. I have no reason to lie about such things. Their records are damaging enough without any help from me. I have only sought the truth of these matters and to try to bring national attention to the subject demanding accountability. May God forgive US.
May 05, 2009.
Please watch the following video in the context of the spread of AIDS (albeit its overall topic is vaccinations, bird flu, swine flu, and deliberate pandemics as pretexts for inoculations and population-reduction wrt NSSM-200 protocols):
At time 2:09, Dr. Ott states:
“The Times of London reports on its front page in 1987, that small pox vaccine administered by the WHO had in fact triggered HIV/AIDS ... The same article in 1987 showed that a 100 million small pox vaccinated Africans are at high risk for HIV and AIDS. The Times report said that the areas with the highest vaccination rates of small pox vaccines show the highest HIV/AIDS rates worldwide.”
“Robert Gallow ... the man given credit for HIV/AIDS virus detection, firmly defended those figures in debate, and said: The problem we have that AID researchers will keep their mouths shut because they are paid to do so.”
See my analysis of NSSM 200 mentioned in the above talk in “The Enduring Capitalist Conspiracy For World Government”.
Dr. Ott's 12-part presentation is interesting. I know nothing about him, but his overarching analysis (if not all the specific details) is entirely consistent with my research. Therefore, here is a link for the entire talk. That presentation, dated August 2008, is very ominously pertinent today with the swine flu pandemic in progress even as I write this. That 'fourth horseman of the apocalypse' is being tracked and dissected here:
One final comment: In the video, Dr. Ott makes a very important statement of principle for the Machiavellian modus operandi. A statement that borrows from a similar statement made by David Icke in the 1990s. Who in turn, evidently was inspired by G. Edward Griffin's 1970 video documentary “The Capitalist Conspiracy”. Griffin in turn borrowed the ideas from W. Cleon Skousen's 1970 work in “The Naked Capitalist”, which is a commentary on Prof. Carroll Quigley's 1966 “Tragedy and Hope” – the master-shill historian of the international banksters who fund the United Nations, the World Health Organization, and are the key financiers of this impetus to one-world government, population reduction, etc. There are now several generations of researchers who have echoed the same overarching statement of principle, in one context or another, and yours truly has arrived at the same conclusion-space some 40 years later (rather pathetic that no mass movement was created in all these intervening years to counter this Machiavellian game which is now perched at being a fait accompli).
This principal modus operandi needs to be highlighted prominently – if you are reading this, please reproduce this succinct statement (in bold) to your friends and neighbors. It explains all modern crises as connected here and here.
At time 4:30, Dr. Ott states:
“ ... there are many many instances where the World Health Organization – which is again largely funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, and the Rothschild group in London – to absolutely control populations for specific political purposes worldwide.
There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever, I can go on for the next half an hour, to show specific programs designed to kill large amounts of people, and it does this, in every single case, by means of vaccination introduction.
We can see a pattern, a modus operandi, in this: Introduce a vaccine to unsuspecting population centers, cause massive sickness, massive death, massive panic, massive chaos, and then they step in and have the agenda completed.
It's the same old problem-reaction scenario: They create the problem, they dictate the response, and then they have the prescribed action already made.”
The author, an ordinary researcher and writer on contemporary geopolitics, a minor justice activist, grew up in Pakistan, studied EECS at MIT, engineered for a while in high-tech Silicon Valley (patents here), and retired early to pursue other responsible interests. His maiden 2003 book was rejected by six publishers and can be read on the web at http://PrisonersoftheCave.org. He may be reached at http://Humanbeingsfirst.org. Verbatim reproduction license at http://www.humanbeingsfirst.org#Copyright.
Population control, US bio-weapons research, McNamara, Rockefeller, and AIDS